A friend got me this bottle in japan and this is lovely with dark tasting notes like berries, cherries, cherrywood, floral, toffee, dark chocolate, and white chocolate with bright raspberries and lychee on the palate. This may be more of a 12 replacement than a 17 replacement as this is aged 12-30 years like the old 12 but an average age of 15 here would discourage calling this 12 years old. Better than 12, not sure if better than 17 as this I’ll need to taste side by side to truly find out