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Jameson Caskmates IPA Edition
Blended — Ireland
Reviewed
November 10, 2020 (edited November 12, 2020)
N: Tropical fruit and/or flowers, particularly pineapple and whipped banana. There's wood under that along with sweet breads or even bread pudding. A tart overripe green apple note comes in later. It's a quite pleasant nose.
P: The fruit is there up front, but more subdued and with less separable flavors. Caramel, vanilla, and some spice - with a bit of a surprising pot still character no less - are more assertive, as one might expect. Other subtler flavors: toffee, butterscotch, and a rich but less sweet bread than the nose would suggest. Then the hops start to hit the palate: dank and bitter with a mild souring nature. I'm not really sure where the finish starts here: the spice hits fairly early, but never leaves; much later the hops come in and leave you with a grapefruit-like bitterness (albeit far less bitter than actually drinking an IPA) and occasional floral hits. That said, wherever the finish begins, the mix of the whiskey and IPA flavors is very hit and miss - sometimes it works really well and sometimes it's almost cringe inducing.
That said, the IPA bitterness has grown on me some - I hated it at first, but now, at the end of maybe the third bottle of this I've had in ~3 years, it feels fairly well balanced against the spice in the finish. It's an interesting and odd experience, though, to take a sharp inhale after a sip and feel both that pot still spice and a hoppy IPA run through your nasal cavity. I have a hard time reconciling the ideas, although I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that can love it. Generally, I kinda just don't hate it (anymore).
Side note 1: I'm fairly new to thinking seriously about whiskey (drinking at home is a silver lining of the pandemic for me), but I've been a serious beer drinker for nearly two decades. I've tried thousands of beers, written hundreds of reviews of beers, traveled for beer, attended beer events, written seriously about beer from a legal and academic perspective, visited dozens of breweries, etc, you get the point. I can count on one hand how many barrel-aged IPAs I've had - two, maybe three if I forgot one. The ones I have had were more of a novelty than a truly memorable beer. Barrel flavors and extreme hop flavors don't play nice together. You have to build a certain type of IPA in order to make it work with barrel flavors, and it's not what most people think of when they think of IPA, and even then it's just not likely to be great. I'm still (anxiously) waiting for that great whiskey barrel aged IPA.
So this begs the question: where is all of the Jameson barrel aged IPA that would be required to allow Jameson to put dozens of bottles of this IPA barrel aged whiskey on every grocery and liquor store shelf in the United States (primarily, I assume, as I don't know that IPA means as much or has the same marketing value in most other parts of the world)? Something just doesn't add up. Even if Jameson uses the IPA barrels multiple times, which I have to assume would have diminishing returns, it seems there would need to be far more barrel aged IPA sitting on shelves somewhere in the world than I think it's likely that there is. I don't really have a conclusion to draw from that, just an observation and a hmmm moment. (And, yes, I have looked into where Jameson sources the barrels and the answers I found suggest that either Ireland is awash in barrel aged Pale Ales/IPAs - unlikely - or my question still stands.)
Side note 2: I don't really think this blend is exactly the same as regular Jameson. There just seems to be a slightly different core flavor here, and it seems to match too well with IPA flavors. The bitterness I talked about in my regular Jameson review doesn't show up here - there's nothing tannic in this. I doubt that throwing Jameson in an IPA barrel for a few hours or few days or whatever "finishing" means to Jameson would change that tannic bite. More likely is that it's easier to just adjust the blend a little and get a product better suited to the IPA flavors. Wouldn't be a bad idea either.
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@skillerified Very cool. Did not know they did that... the hyper local.
@skillerified thanks for the clarification. Good to know.
Thanks for that extra detail @skillerified . I guess it comes down to who they're targeting. For whiskey lovers who want a dash of IPA, maybe this was the right choice, but for IPA lovers coming in expecting a blast of hops, it probably isn't.
@BDanner My very casual read of Irish whiskey laws (and I am a lawyer - I geek out over liquor laws) suggests they can't add artificial flavoring and still call it Irish whiskey. I doubt they're adding anything, especially since it seems relatively easy to just adjust the blend of the source whiskeys to get the same result without risking their Irish whiskey designation. And it makes total sense that they would soften bitterness in the core liquid when adding bitterness from an outside source. If that's happening, I really have no problem with it, except that maybe it should be disclosed.
@Scott_E There are a few of those. Jameson calls them hyperlocal editions. Cool marketing project. The Revolution Brewing version from Chicago would be a prize bottle for me.
I do know that here in NY, Jameson teamed with a local brewer KelSo and used their IPA barrels to season the whiskey. This was before the IPA Caskmates you are reviewing. Search for KelSo in Distiller to see the review/info.
Great review and thought provoking observations about the barreling. I never really considered the fact that IPA's are probably not a thing in Ireland. This is my favorite Jameson expression (so far) which is odd considering that I don't care for IPA's. Not sure of the labeling regulations for Irish Whisky, but could they be reusing the barrels multiple times and then adding a small amount of artificial flavoring to achieve the desired effect.
Not to just copy @CKarmios , but great questions! The contemplation and detail in this review are excellent :)
Good notes and good questions. I’ve tried the IPA, didn’t like it, didn’t hate it either. Like GF put it, it’s an experiment and one can choose to go with it or not. But like you, I have wondered about the base spirit; sweeter and lacking a certain minerality or that faint metallic note I find in the original version. It does fit the drink, which in turn does make me wonder.